Tuesday 28 April 2015

OUIL501: COP2: Essay

Alice Dear: How Does Lad Culture Allow Misogyny to be Socially Acceptable at a Time When the Common Consensus is that ‘Women Are Equal Now’?

It is a common consensus in Britain today that gender equality has been reached. This essay will investigate why this is not the case by focussing on the contributing factors that have led to this misconception. It will explore how misogyny has become socially acceptable through ‘lad culture’ and how the third-wave feminist movement is helping to open people’s minds to feminism and campaign for gender equality. The topics investigated into will focus on the concept of ‘banter’, relationships, university campuses, depression, T.V. and media.

Today the statistics present a pessimistic outlook for Britain. It comes 57th in the world for gender equality in parliament; under ¼ PMs are female; 4/38 Lord Justices of Appeal and 17/100 High Court judges are women; 1/10 engineers are female; the Royal Society has never had a female president; it has been 13yrs since the Royal Opera House commissioned a female choreographer; and only 10/2300 works in the National Gallery’s collection are by female artists. (Bates, 2014)

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British campuses have allowed misogyny to become socially acceptable through ‘lad culture’. ‘Lad culture’ is unavoidable in British Universities; it is especially prominent in Fresher’s week. While the students battle for authority and the alpha’s attempt to assert dominance, the new group dynamics form. One student commented; ‘rugby initiations; they’re all lads… dressing up as women… they love that.’ (Dear, 2014, Pp13) Dressing up as women is the ultimate laugh for these lads; they can simultaneously make fun of women and show off their macho bodies. Another student remarks; ‘I don’t think there is a lot of respect for women in lad culture these days. Lads at uni are almost indoctrinated into lad culture… especially in fresher’s week with the obsession “how many girls can you bang”, as if we’re a piece of meat!’(Dear, 2014, Pp12) Lad culture’s hierarchy focuses on skills based on sport, ‘pulling’, drinking and ‘banter’. The group of men privilege a form of hyper masculinity. Their power comes from intimidation; as Zygmunt Bauman puts it in his Liquid Modernity Thesis; ‘Terror, after all, is the poor-man’s version of PR.’ (Bauman, Gane, 2004) Laura Bates, founder of the Everyday Sexism Project which focuses on drawing attention to gender inequality, remarks how a university professor told a female student ‘you look prettier when you shut up.’(Bates, 2014) Female students are compromised by lad culture as it fails to support women for anything other than sexual objects. Gender inequality in British universities is rife, for example the amount of chemistry undergraduates reaching the level of professor has got worse; although 50% chemistry undergraduates are women, only 6% become professors. The research study Hidden Marks, suggested that 1/7 female students will be a victim of serious sexual and physical violence; and that 68% female students experience verbal harassment in and around campus. (Bates, 2014) Students must feel safe and free at university and currently for girls this is not the case. It is crucial that British Universities take responsibility for the students on their campuses and make a proactive effort to both support victims and aim to start tackling gender inequality through a combination of education and understanding a model of consent.

The misogyny hidden behind lad culture negatively impacts the whole of society, not just females. In today’s society there is a huge pressure on young adults; partially due to pessimistic job and housing prospects. Britain’s renowned binge drinking culture appears to hold its roots in the ‘YOLO’ theology; young people, students in particular, feel this is their last chance to be irresponsible before they face the ‘real’ world. This links in to lad culture as the reckless behaviour becomes a way to assert themselves as young males; they attempt to give off the appearance that they are happy and care-free. However in one report almost all of the participants remarked that it was just ‘lad bravado’ (Dear,2014); this is potentially dangerous in a society where male suicide rates are consistently higher than female rates; demonstrated in the graph below:


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As Nicki Minaj puts it, ‘when you’re young, it’s easy to feel trapped, it’s easy to feel that you’re not understood, that’s why we say ‘you don’t understand.’ (Minaj, 2010) Luckily most women find a relief and security in confiding to others, this helps to reduce the pressure on that individual. However for men, there is the ‘insidious influence of macho conditioning that beseeches to “man up” and demands that “boys don’t cry” on pain of mockery and humiliation. These values are directly implicated in men’s reluctance to seek help and support, whether from friends or professionals, preferring to self-medicate with alcohol or drugs.’(Hattenstone, 2013) This sounds alarms for the alcohol-fuelled, macho lad culture. Unfortunately statistics show that in the last three decades, despite improvements in psychiatric and emergency care medicine, policies and a degree of social, political and personal empowerment, the number of male suicides had risen to 4,590. Those excluded from lad culture such as women and LGBT people are also negatively affected, with one student remarking that ‘if you’re gay, for example, and not seen part of lad culture…then you feel you’re no longer a man.’ (Dear, 2014, Pp3). A group-centred culture such as lad culture could be beneficial in reducing loneliness, however only if the members feel free to share their thoughts and feelings without judgement; true friendship, rather that one-up-man-ship. Bauman reinforces the importance of community, ‘a key idea of the Liquid Modernity Thesis is that society is undergoing a process of individualisation; that agency is becoming disengaged from the social system, and individual choices and lives are becoming isolated from collective projects and actions.’ (Bauman, Gane, 2004) He states that ‘the overall effects of “individualisation by decree of fate” are what Dany-Robert Dufour (2001) described recently as “new forms of alienation and inequality”…in the absence of the Other to which one could relate the logic of one’s own life-pursuits, the individual is doomed to seek… “A self-referential definition”... The new individuals are abandoned rather than liberated.’ (Bauman, Gane, 2004, p.41). This explains why although on the surface ‘lad culture’ seems to be reinforcing loyal friendships, in actual fact it can lead to individuals feeling more isolated due to competition with other group members.

Media has been a crucial device in allowing misogyny in lad culture to become socially acceptable. Social media plays a large role in the spread of both lad culture and third-wave feminism. One student described the spread of lad culture; ‘being a #lad has developed as a more prominent social group in recent years due to social media spreading the lad ethos… it leads men to act in a certain way, rather than allowing them to act how they choose.’ (Dear, 2014, Pp4)

Facebook, in particular, has a huge influence over young adult’s lives; every student has a profile. In an attempt to be user friendly, it takes down content that promotes anti-Semitism and racism, but images showing harm to women remain. The Everyday Sexism Project used #FBrape to launch a campaign that bought attention to this sexism. 60,000 people tweeted using the hashtag, and 5,000 people wrote to advertisers. One week later Facebook released a public statement that they would change their policies on gender violence and what constituted hate speech. They also committed to recognising the implications on the real world pandemic of violence against women. Laura Bates believes that this was a ‘tipping point for our international attitudes on violence towards women’ (Bates, 2014) because of Facebook’s huge influence on normative ideas on what is or isn’t acceptable. A great benefit of social media means that people can be proactive without the issue of travel and time.

Newspapers and magazines also have a huge influence on popular culture. Recently, The Sun, attracted attention with Page 3. Third-wave feminists argue that Page 3 girls, as long as they are choosing this as their career, are still empowered. Therefore, it’s with the newspaper itself that they hold an issue. Newspapers should be representative of society; filled with diverse representations of women in both articles and images. Today, men take up the news, and photographs of women take up the advertisements; women are only on 1/5 of front page articles. If newspapers are to represent women’s roles in society today, purely providing a page of attractive, young girls topless, is a problem. However, banning Page 3 removes choice and puts judgement on women. This is an opinion that Elizabeth Wurtzel puts forward; ‘I intend to do what I want to do and be whom I want to be and answer only to myself: that is, quite simply, the bitch philosophy.’ (Wurtzel, 1998) She also raises the issue of reclaiming derogatory terms, using them instead, to empower women.

By making light of a serious situation such as rape, or using it to abuse and exclude other members of society, ‘banter’ has been a crucial device in allowing misogyny in lad culture to become socially acceptable. The line has been blurred by society concerning ‘banter’ as to what is fun and what is abusive. The power of lad culture comes from degrading anything which doesn’t follow it’s principle of hyper masculinity; unfortunately ‘banter’ is one device used to degrade others without facing consequences as it can be masked as a light-hearted joke. Most often at the butt of the jokes are women and LGBT people; ‘slags’, ‘wenches’ and ‘frigid’ are forms of insults targeted at women who are not submissive to this culture; ‘gay’ and ‘pussy’ are used to target men who do not conform to the group behaviour or compulsive heterosexuality required. Interestingly words associated with women such as ‘pussy’ are used as insults to men; which result in degrading both the individual man and all females.

However, it is important to state that humour is not the issue, it is abuse with the mask of ‘banter’. For example, T.V. programmes such as the Inbetweeners and Dapper Laughs have allowed misogyny to become socially acceptable. The Inbetweeners use ‘banter’ as a comical device to make fun of the four main characters themselves; by either ‘ripping’ each other or by coming up with ridiculous insults that make themselves the joke rather than their intended target. For instance, catchphrases such as ‘bus wankers’, ‘car friend’, ‘bumder’ and ‘clunge’. Yet due to the show’s success, these catchphrases have become engrained in popular culture where there are no rules on how to use them or in what context.


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T.V. has also been a crucial device in allowing misogyny in lad culture to become socially acceptable and normalised. In films only 28% women have speaking roles, and shockingly only 5% of the major films were directed by women, an amount that has halved since 1998. (Bates, 2014) With two coming-of-age films and three T.V series, the previously mentioned Inbetweeners ‘flawlessly encapsulated the dynamic of London lad culture: the banter, the booze, and most importantly, the birds… it’s lewd, crude, and has you cringing in your seat.’ However, as Rebecca Gillie goes on to explain, the writers ‘know when and where to draw the line.’ (Gillie, 2011) These awkward teenage boys reflect innocent and clueless attempts at romance and toilet humour. In contrast ITV2 comedian Dapper Laughs quit comedy after a petition was made to remove his T.V programme. A large amount of the public believed that his attempts to get laughs from shouting abuse at others was crossing the line, and negatively influencing others to view this behaviour as acceptable. Instead of making fun of himself; he was using harassment and violence against women to get laughs.

A socially accepted misogyny in lad culture has led to double standards in relationships. A common consensus among the British public is that relationships are more disposable today than they have been in the past; mainly due to a more open minded view on dating, sex before marriage and divorce. Misogyny has become socially acceptable in reality T.V shows such as The Only Way is Essex and Made in Chelsea. These programmes have become renowned for their cast members messy on-off relationships; usually drama centring on the scandal of a cheating male. The Evolutionary Theory could be one explanation for this; researchers have documented the sex differences in response to infidelity (Buss, Larsen and Western, 1996 and Buss et al 1992)  .The majority of research suggests that men become more distressed considering their partners sexual infidelity, whereas women become more distressed considering their partners’ emotional infidelity. This is because men have paternal uncertainty meaning a woman’s infidelity could lead to cuckoldry. Women fear emotional infidelity as it could lead to her mate deserting her, resulting in a loss of protection and resources (Buss, 1995; Shackleford and Buss, 1997). This may explain why more men think that they can get away with cheating; overall more men are likely to cheat than women (Johnson, 1970; Kinsey, Pomeroy, Martin and Gebhard, 1953).

‘Lad Code’ has been used to assert misogyny in lad culture; it ensures loyalty towards the other men in the group first and foremost. This supposedly means that there is no negative consequence for reckless behaviour; instead rewards of ‘lad points’. Following this principle, the men must take advantage of the women at their ‘disposal’, the higher their ‘conquest’ number, the better. When women behave in this way they get labelled as, at best, ‘easy’. Minaj, describes these double standards, stating ‘[when I am] assertive, I’m a bitch. When a man is assertive, he’s a boss. He bossed up. No negative connotation behind ‘bossed up’. But lots of negative connotation behind being a bitch.’ (Minaj, 2010) These double standards may not seem serious but they are all forms of gender inequality. The statistics reveal a harsh reality; 1/5 people thought it was acceptable to hit their girlfriends in response to them being in revealing clothes in public; 36% believe a women is partially or fully responsible if she’s drunk while sexually assaulted or raped; ¼ women are victims of domestic violence and 1/5 women are victims of sexual offences. (Bates, 2014).

The lines between lad culture and ‘rape culture’ are blurred. Rape jokes are just part of the way that these serious issues are undermined, unfortunately people of power and influence continue this; in 2011 a Toronto police officer, Michael Sanguinetti, stated that ‘women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimised.’ (Pilkington, 2011) Feminists argue that people should be taught not to rape rather than taught how not to be raped. Putting the blame on the victim takes responsibility away from the rapist, as if justifying the crime due to his gender. The idea of a girl’s appearance indicating that she is ‘asking for it’ is prevalent within both ‘lad’ and ‘rape’ culture. After this incident the first SlutWalk was organised. This protest movement involves people walking together dressed in anything from heels and bras, to jeans and trainers, carrying banners with statements such as ‘cleavage is not consent.’ Third-wave feminists advocate a model of free-will and choice. They believe that expressions of femininity and female sexuality challenge objectification; they dismiss any restriction on defining how women can dress, act or express themselves.


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While lads continue to use words such as ‘bitch’, ‘wench’ and ‘cunt’ to refer to women in a derogatory manner, feminists from Germaine Greer to Nicki Minaj have attempted to reclaim them for empowerment. There is a dilemma on what to call the female sex organs; ‘vagina’ is one term most are comfortable with, perhaps because it originates from Latin, sounding more official or medical, but the meaning of ‘vagina’ is ‘sheath for a sword’. Reminding society of its deep misogynistic history, the female organs termed as a place for a weapon and nothing else. On the other end of the spectrum is ‘Cunt’. Considered in the English language the most offensive insult. Historically dictionaries have refused to even print the word, or if they have, they used asterisks to mask the letters; being described in one as ‘a nasty word for a nasty thing.’(Greer, 2011) Greer defines her goal as ‘women's liberation’ meaning embracing sex differences in a positive fashion – a struggle for the freedom of women to define their own values and order their own priorities. Germaine Greer preferred the term ‘cunt’, over the other possible nouns, as it stands for the whole area of the female sex organs. She wanted to take the malice out of the word ‘cunt’, yet today, even with others including Sam Taylor-Wood, creating a necklace spelling the word, it still remains an offensive term. ‘It didn’t work,’ she says but that she is ‘perversely pleased, because it meant it kept that power... I don’t think now that I want the ‘c’ word to be tamed, I love the idea that this word is still so sacred that you can use it like a torpedo.’(Greer, 2011) For gender equality to be reached in Britain women must embrace their own strengths and powers as women. ‘Feminism aims to change culture, to give us confidence to demand more, to imbue women with faith in their decisions and the ballsiness not to care if others will judge them…confidence is the key: social change, yes, but also a revolution within.’ (Peckham and Turner, 2014, p.195)

Throughout this essay I have been investigating into the effects of lad culture in preserving the patriarchal system in Britain today. It is a fact; women are not equal. Look at every political, financial, social, cultural and educational institution. Lad culture centres on hierarchy, misogyny and exclusion and abuse of the out-group. Yet there may still be hope for gender equality in Britain in the form of third-wave feminism. In order to make a change for women it is essential that society does not settle, instead continuing to question gender based assumptions. Emma Watson, the youngest UN Women Goodwill Ambassador to date, explains at the HeForShe convention; ‘we want to end gender inequality – and to do that, we need everyone involved…feminism is not here to dictate to you. It’s not prescriptive, it’s not dogmatic. All we are here to do is give you a choice… Feminism, women’s rights and gender equality aren’t about man-hating.’


Men are getting involved and identifying as feminists because they are not just ‘men’, but fathers, brothers, cousins, sons, grandfathers, husbands and friends. Feminism benefits all; more gender-equal corporations – those with better mentoring programmes, women’s support networks and parental leave benefits – tend to have higher levels of job satisfaction, productivity, reputations and a lower employee turnover. More gender equal companies report lower levels of depression. Professor Michael Kimmel gives a male feminist perspective; ‘men who support feminism don’t see relationships with women as adversarial, as a battle of the sexes, but are open to colleagues, friends, and partners, who are as fully themselves as we believe we are entitled to be. And they see spending time with their children as confirming their masculinity, not diminishing it. They see their friendships with other men deepen as they can talk about their health, their feelings, and their family lives.’ (Kimmel, 2014, p.210) The crucial element of third-wave feminism is both sexes working together. 25-year-old political campaigner, Elle Gellard, states; ‘feminism is about choosing solidarity- and fathers, sons, and brothers have as much of a role to play in achieving it as we do.’ A point that Jane Shepherdson, the Chief Executive of Whistles, reinforces; ‘a strong woman is not a threat, she is a partner.’(ELLE, 2014, p.213) It is time for feminism to take over lad culture; as novelist Floyd Dell said over 100 years ago; ‘feminism is going to make it possible for the first time for men to be free.’ (Dell, 1914)

OUIL501: COP2: Summative Evaluation

OUIL501 COP2 SUMMATIVE EVALUATION

In this project I built on and applied my contextual knowledge and skills in critical writing through my essay. I chose the subject of lad culture to focus on, combining it with elements of third wave feminism as a way to provide an alternative thought process to lad culture. Instead of privileging misogyny, third-wave feminism looks to create gender equality for all.

I combined this contextual research and critical writing with running a practical project alongside it. This helped me to explore these themes in a freer and more expressive and personal way. I used my practice as a method of research into lad culture using a combination of primary and secondary references. This variety of theoretical and practical research methods helped me to explore lad culture in a reportage way, through the investigation and resolution of my chosen question and my interviews.

I conducted my own report where I interviewed a number of participants asking them a few open relevant questions regarding their view on lad culture, feminism and banter. This was really helpful in providing me a starting point to the general consensus of lad culture around me. However obviously this group was extremely small in relation to British society so I continued my research using more professional and known references.

I found Laura Bates book Everyday Sexism extremely helpful on this issue, particularly in providing facts and a new view on feminism. The tasks also really helped me to explore different theories and ways of seeing the world and develop my critical awareness. Support from tutorials, crits, seminars and workshops was also really helpful in exploring ideas relating to my topic and hearing others views on this project. From talking to peers I decided I really wanted to try to make this work to be aimed at all, and definitely not target boys as a ‘bad influence’ as many males are victims of this derogatory culture or the pressures surrounding it.

I loved working practically on these contextual issues as I thought it was great to have so much knowledge that it could allow you to leave reference and work from memory and imagination instead; creating much more organic and emotive artwork.

I enjoyed investigating lad culture in my sketchbook with quick line drawings, exaggerating particular parts of the lad physic and mentality. These more abstract characters were created using just the primary reference of my imagination which helped me to be freer with the illustrations as I had no guidelines. This element of working purely from imagination is one that I felt comfortable working with because I had carried out so much research on my project that I knew the message and key aspects that I wanted to portray in my pieces.

My final piece was an A5 concertina book. There are two opposing/parallel scenes: one focusses on a Lad Utopia, the other looks into a Lad Apocalypse. These scenes provide the background for a more serious content. The content focuses on both female and male issues with lad culture. For men, there is the influence of macho conditioning that tells them to “man up” and demands that “boys don’t cry” on pain of mockery and humiliation. This results in a problem with asking for help and support when they need it. Those excluded from lad culture such as women and LGBT people are also negatively affected in more obvious ways.

Overall I am really happy with my final pieces and I am really glad I have managed to combine a comedy element with the scene, with the more serious content using quotes and statistics. I think it provides a good tool in educating people and opening their eyes to the reality of society regarding misogyny and its relevance in lad culture. If I were to do this module again I would have ago at creating a scene using characters and be really imaginative and expressive. It is a shame that I did so much work on the character of the lad, yet I didn’t include this in my final outcome. However I chose to do this in order not to isolate young males. I wanted the audience to be able to pick up this work with an open mind and not feel that it is targeting anyone in particular- more just providing information.


I think that the combination of analogue and digital was a good decision as it allowed me to be detailed and imaginative with the individual components whilst still being able to quickly add and investigate with colour etc using Photoshop and layers. The digital aspect gave it a much more finished quality however if I had had more time I would use it to work on these final pieces and make the scenes work better with the font in a more clear and thought out layout.  My sketchbook and my final work have been completely influenced by my ongoing research and investigation outside of my sketchbook, for example for my essay. I think this technique has really helped me as it allowed me to be a lot more imaginative and expressive once I had learnt a huge deal about the theories and context behind the project. In future I want to continue experimenting with combining context with my imagination to create more unique work, rather than relying so heavily on reference images.

OUIL501: COP2: Final Practical Response to Studio Brief 1 in Context

My final practical response to studio brief 1 in terms of context: http://issuu.com/dearalice1/docs/final_practical_response_to_studio_

OUIL501: COP2: Final Practical Response to Studio Brief 1: Process and Final Work

My final practical response to studio brief 1 looking at the process of producing the final work: http://issuu.com/dearalice1/docs/final_practical_response_to_studio__6711883c67af9d

OUIL501: COP2: Sketchbook - Focused Drawings on the Topic of Lad Culture

Sketchbook work, annotations and analysis on my focused drawings on the topic of lad culture: http://issuu.com/dearalice1/docs/sketchbook-_focussed_drawings

OUIL501: COP2: Sketchbook- Initial Drawings

My initial drawings, annotation and analysis from my sketchbook:

OUIL501: COP2: Alice Dear Report into Lad Culture

Written up findings of my report into lad culture:

Alice Dear’s Lad Culture Report
 My Report Findings – Qualitative Research – Interviews.

Participants (Pp):
Interviewee 1: 20 yr old female student
Interviewee 2: 17 yr old female school student
Interviewee 3: 21 yr old male student
Interviewee 4: 19 yr old female student
Interviewee 5: 20 yr old female student
Interviewee 6: 19 yr old female student
Interviewee 7: 20 yr old male student
Interviewee 8: Middle-aged female
Interviewee 9: 19 yr old male student
Interviewee 10: 21 yr old female student
Interviewee 11: 20 yr old female
Interviewee 12: 20 yr old female student
Interviewee 13: 20 yr old female student
Interviewee 14: 20 yr old female student
Interviewee 15: 20 yr old female student
Interviewee 16: 21 yr old male
Interviewee 17: 21 yr old female student
Interviewee 18: 20 yr old male student
Interviewee 19: 21 yr old male student
Interviewee 20: 17 yr old male school student
Interviewee 21: 17 yr old school student
Interviewee 22: 17 yr old school student
Interviewee 23: Middle-age male
Interviewee 24: 23 yr old male

What are your views on ‘lad culture’?

Interviewee 1: “I think it’s stupid and ridiculous and an excuse for silly little boys to behave like absolute dickheads and get away with it by claiming they are just being ‘lads’. Also [I] think there should be a gals culture where we get to castrate everyone who follows lad culture.”
Interviewee 2: “Love ‘em. I wasn’t aware of it till like this year.”
Interviewee 3: “I think it’s just about being cool and hairy ugly…[but on a serious note] there is a massively high suicide rate amongst men and if I remember correctly one reason is from this need for men to be ‘butch’ and suicide is a result of this as men keep things locked up, can’t cry in front of people, can’t tell their close friends their issues etc etc. So this stems from lad culture doesn’t it… I think lad culture isn’t all about being cool and hairy I was being flippant but there is a need to be cool and impress but there is knock on effects to it that can cause depression etc… And I’m lucky I can half conform but if you’re gay, for example, and not seen part of lad culture, or you don’t like football/rugby whatever then you feel that you’re no longer a man… And that’s how I feel sometimes…Not like a man, more like a little girl.”
Interviewer: “What’s wrong with being a little girl?”
Interviewee 3: “No not for one minute there’s anything wrong being a girl… That’s exactly what men need to become more like… So rather that bullying a guy for showing emotion, society needs to say there’s nothing wrong with having this ‘girly’ approach; it’s beneficial.”
Interviewee 4: “I hate them all. I think lad culture and being a #lad has developed as a more prominent social group in recent years due to social media spreading the lad ethos and the constant pressure on men to be quite macho and act typically how the stereotypical male would act. I think this is quite sad as it leads men to act a certain way, rather than allowing them to act however they choose, even if that be in a typically more feminine manner.”
Interviewee 5: “I think your typical ‘lad’ just has ‘dickhead’ written all over him. They think they’re being hilarious by acting in a rude and disgusting manner when really they just look like a freak. I also think the majority of ‘lads’ are really insecure and they just act all laddish as a cover up. I find them really comical, but I’m laughing at them, not with them. Also they’ve killed romance. I hate them… And they have stupid hair! They think they’re cool but they’re not… And they’re anything but manly…And they’re crack is immature and shit. That’s the extreme ‘lad’ though. A little touch of ladness is quite fun… but just a sprinkle. Before it goes too far.”
Interviewee 6: “Do you mean guys like off Geordie Shore and stuff?...ermm I think they’re all just childish, trying to impress one another thinking they look all cool but they’re just very embarrassing. Trying to be over manly.”
Interviewee 7: “Lad culture is just an excuse for insecure boys to feel accepted and follow the crowd just to fit in. In essence the stupid acts they do are just a cry to be cool regardless of what they actually believe in. It’s sad how people aspire to be an ultimate lad… because when you take them out of the group of lairy/rowdy ‘mates’ the whole persona disappears. Lad culture does promote a sense of selflessness for your mates, but I’m sure many of them would do anything (including betray a friend) to get extra ‘lad points’.”
Interviewee 8: “There has always been lad culture but because our society allows young adults to behave like children it is extending into adulthood so appears more prevalent! Think about teddy boys, mods, punks etc… It is also encouraged and exaggerated by the media who exploit vulnerable and quite honestly dim-witted people into making idiots of themselves for our entertainment! Just like the Romans and their games of the Victorians visiting bedlam e.g. reality t.v, Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents, e.t.c.”
Interviewee 9: “Lads, lads lads!...Also if you say ‘banter with the lads’ 3 times at midnight a ‘cheeky nandos’ appears.”
Interviewee 10: “I find it offensive…they use it as an excuse for being a dick… like ‘ah he’s just being a lad!”
Interviewee 11: “Isn’t it just a term for young men that are supposedly behaving badly?...Yeah they are totally different away from their ‘pack’… they all just act that way infront of their friends – get them on their own they are all insecure haha!”
Interviewee 12: “I love it of course… and the beers and burps that come with it. Did you want a serious answer? I don’t think there is a lot of respect for women in lad culture these days. Lads at uni for example are almost indoctrinated into lad culture… especially in fresher’s week with all the obsession with ‘how many girls can you bang’, as if we are a piece of meat! Yeah it’s definitely a façade with most of them, you know this when you’re with them on their own. I do believe the ‘lad culture’ is far more prominent in young lads: 14-21 yrs old. Well most boys have finished university by 21 so have to break off from the lad culture and grow up. University exaggerates lad culture because there’s so much opportunity for you to be a slag to over drink and constantly be around like minded lads.”
Conversation between Interviewees 13, 14 and 15:
Interviewee 13: “Well I just love banter.”
Interviewee 14: “Love banter so much. But hate lad culture. When lads gang up and are mean.”
Interviewee 15: “I agree with that.”
Interviewee 14: “Also hate when boys get their willies out.”
Interviewee 13: “hahahaahaa. Rugby initiations; they’re all lads.”
Interviewee 14: “Ooo yeah good example.”
Interviewee 13: “Dressing up as women… they love that. Just go on ****’s profile, he’s the biggest LAD… not.”
Interviewee 14: “There’s definitely a lad culture about sleeping with girls… haha **** is a big lad… when boys flip their willies out.”
Interviewee 13: “Sneaky nuts?”
Interviewee 14: “haha sneaky nuts.”
Interviewee 13: “That is so gross hahaha. Lads can be sweet behind the scenes when they write little notes when they leave the morning after; this rugby boy writes notes to my housemate every morning he leaves ours! So cute! Then he pretends to be a rugby lad.”
Interviewee 14: “Hate gym rat lads. Always different behind the scenes. Just boys that love gym-ing… hate that.”
Interviewee 15: [on the topic of ‘ladettes’] “Yes girls who think they’re ‘lads’ – I hate one atm. Basically this girl who all the boys call a ‘lad’, ‘she’s basically a lad’ etc, told ****’s housemate that she likes him and then started crying about it on a night out and being like please can we speak **** etc. How weird is that. ‘I need to speak to you’ ‘I really like you’. Then today we had a fight about it and he said ‘well I’m still going to talk to her and have a laugh with her.’ I never liked her cause she’s loud and she thinks she’s a lad. Also how rude to say that to someone with a girlfriend. I said what would you do in my position… and he said he wouldn’t care.”
Interviewee 16: “Dunno usually an ugly lad who has no excuse but to act like a cunt. Lols.”
Interviewee 17: “They make themselves less fit because they’re a lad. It’s intimidating I think. It makes you feel very insecure if you walk into a group of lads, especially if you don’t know them very well. Always worry about what you look like because they can always pick something to laugh about with the other lads. They always judge you on what you look like.”
Interviewee 18: “Needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. It’s funny to an extent.”
Interviewee 19: “Lad culture varies between groups of friends, as you know what gets the most laughs. I see lad culture as pushing behaviour as much as you can, what is a little out of order, but can get away with it amongst friends.”
Interviewee 20: “They’re all cunts.”
Interviewee 23: “I think young people have always had to find their own roles in life and challenge existing status quo and authority- this is probably more prevalent in males – this is probably hot wired into our genes so that the new generation strives to move forwards, challenging for power, setting up new groups e.t.c. This momentum can either be positive, but if there are not positive outlets, it can be channelled into socially wasteful and destructive behaviour (E.g. Geordie Shore).”

What are your views on the relationship between feminism and ‘lad culture’? Do you think that ‘lad culture’ could work with feminism?

Interviewee 1: “Yeah I think it probably could [work together] but I don’t think that people have enough patience to understand either opposing concept. For example, my views on ‘lad culture’ are probably similar to many men’s views on feminism. I suppose it’s the lack of understanding that prevents anything from working together…but on that note I hate men cos I don’t understand them so I will probably be a spinster.”
Interviewee 4: “[Lad culture] leads men to act a certain way, rather than allowing them to act however they choose, even if that be in a typically more feminine manner. So this is not hand in hand with feminism as feminism is for equal rights of the sexes, lad culture is promoting men to be very different from women when in actual fact we all have the right to choose how we portray ourselves through how we dress/act etc. Lad culture does not reinforce this idea of gender equality.”
Interviewee 8: “As women have become more powerful and challenging to men’s roles and self-esteem, men have responded by behaving in a stereotypical dick-headed way; to try to reassert themselves and exclude women. Women have contributed to this by colluded with these idiots in a feeble attempt to be ‘popular and seek male approval’. Women have also started to push men in a corner by dressing and behaving in very extreme sexually aggressive ways. How else can men respond?’
Interviewee 5: “This whole lad culture thing comes the whole thing of it just not being cool to be in a serious relationship and ‘lads’ pretend to their friends that they’re not in a committed relationship. They must never put the girl before their fried because like: ‘mate, bros before hoes?!’ …And a lot of girls just accept that, which is wrong.”
Interviewee 12: “I don’t think girls challenge laddy behaviour; if a guy were to slap a girls ass I think they would get aggressive perhaps but I don’t feel it bothers the lad. I don’t think guys would actually be too bothered if girls acted the way lads did…I’ve grabbed a boys ass before and they didn’t mind…Also if we were going on about ‘banging’ them they would not be like ‘ah how disrespectful’ they’d be like ‘woooooo shag!’… cos they are completely different to women lol.”
Interviewee 2: “This is where lad culture gets teens these days *sends photographs of pregnant girls*”
Interviewee 16: “Fucking stupid. By trying so hard for equality they go so far past that point and ultimately being the most hypocritical ideology I’ve ever seen.”
Interviewee 17: “What even is feminism? Fighting for women’s rights and things? I don’t think lad culture is anti-women I just don’t think they have respect for women. I don’t think they do it on purpose as a thing to piss off women or upset them it’s more a thing within lads itself to impress other lads just women become the victims.”
Interviewee 18: “I think they’re different to be honest, feminism is a lot more serious when lad culture is more of a jokey type thing.”
Interviewee 19: “No, because lad culture tends to be more derogatory.”
Interviewee 20: “Total opposites… because lad culture turns women into objects and use sex as an achievement and feminism believes in equality.”
Interviewee 21: “Not exact opposites as they work around the same thing but with different opinions.”
Interviewee 22: “If lad culture conveyed a different value of women [then feminism and lad culture could work together].”
Interviewee 23: “Lad culture is a fairly negative expression of identity and seems to rely on disrespecting other social groups, particularly girls- so it inevitably conflicts with feminism. I do not think they are opposites as feminism is about social equality – a positive force- where as lad culture (and ladette-ism for that matter) can be indulgent and destructive- a negative force.”

What are your views on ‘banter’?

Interviewee 1: “Banter is ok if both parties consent to the manner of said banter. Banter is not ok if it genuinely offends someone and is used as an excuse to make a joke. Banter is also ok if it comes from me bcos I am hilarious.”
Interviewee 4: “Typical lad banter I feel is quite sexist in itself as I think the ‘lads’ are allowed to get away with saying quite outrageous things in social circumstances as it’s ‘lad banter’ where as if women were to say the same sort of comments/do the same sort of things, they would be deemed by society that they are outrageous or a slut even; which I think is absolute inequality.”
Interviewee 8: “Umm not sure, it can be funny but mostly it seems unkind and never makes anyone feel good about themselves, would be my view.”
Interviewee 17: “What type of banter? I like a laugh as well as the much person. If you don’t like banter you don’t like laughing then. It’s funny until it gets taken too far. For example, when they start being disgusting.”
Interviewee 18: “Taken with a pinch of salt… but gets taken too far. I love a bit of banter though.”
Interviewee 19: “Banter is playful, and entices reactions from others. I use banter to get reactions from people or tongue in cheek remarks.”
Interviewee 20: “Good fun but can get too far, have to be able to take it.”
Interviewee 23: “Banter has a long and fine tradition of humerous inter change between people, Look at Chaucer, Shakespeare and some of the old Hollywood films with the quick talking, witty heroes! It is entertaining and seems to exemplify a healthy sense of perspective and fun and is usually affectionate, tolerant and so socially positive as opposed to abuse, scorn etc. Of course some try to defend their insulting or abusive comments, by the defence that it is just ‘banter’ – which it is clearly not.”
Interviewee 24: “It’s only a laugh and people take it way too seriously and need to stop taking offence, although it can get taken too far.”